Mai 12 18:11:08 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Init
Mai 12 18:11:12 rdieter	KDE SIG meeting start
Mai 12 18:11:18 rdieter	who's present today?
Mai 12 18:11:22 *	jreznik is here
Mai 12 18:11:25 *	ltinkl raises hand
Mai 12 18:11:38 *	svahl is here
Mai 12 18:11:48 rdieter	than mailed regrets, had scheduling conflict today
Mai 12 18:12:09 Kevin_Kofler	Present.
Mai 12 18:12:21 *	SMParrish here
Mai 12 18:12:54 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Delta rpms
Mai 12 18:13:07 rdieter	first topic: Delta rpms , jreznik? (other?)
Mai 12 18:13:51 *	aseigo looks innocently out from behind his desk
Mai 12 18:13:58 rdieter	fyi, (short) agenda today, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12#Agenda
Mai 12 18:14:07 Kevin_Kofler	Any test results for yum-presto + KPackageKit?
Mai 12 18:14:07 SMParrish	I am currently testing kpackagekit and delta rpms on a rawhide box.  will report results when/if it finishes
Mai 12 18:15:00 rdieter	I've got yum-presto installed on my boxes, not sure how (well) it's getting used, but I've not experienced any problems either
Mai 12 18:15:45 Kevin_Kofler	So, should we drag it in on the KDE spin kickstart (if it's not too late for kickstart changes, and assuming it fits)?
Mai 12 18:15:56 Kevin_Kofler	KDE updates can benefit a lot from Presto.
Mai 12 18:16:57 SMParrish	yum-presto package is about 28k
Mai 12 18:17:24 Kevin_Kofler	It also needs deltarpms though.
Mai 12 18:18:16 jwb_	needs how?
Mai 12 18:18:42 *	jreznik has brand new local mirror here in brno office... but at home... :)
Mai 12 18:18:46 rdieter	I'm of a mind to follow fedora as a whole, keep this as optional, not included by default.  There's just been too little testing to trust it for something as critical as updates.
Mai 12 18:18:51 Kevin_Kofler	Well, it needs the tools to use the delta RPMs, doesn't it?
Mai 12 18:19:20 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: if yum-presto is installed, it "just works", provided the repos it talks to also support drpms
Mai 12 18:19:21 jwb_	rdieter, as an outsider, i'm with you there
Mai 12 18:19:48 svahl	Kevin_Kofler, yum-presto could be added without additional deps. But I agree with rdieter, too
Mai 12 18:20:14 Kaboon	rdieter: I can confirm that. I've got them enabled on at least two workstations and I haven't experienced any problems yet. Although I haven't done any actual testing either. The only thing I do know that at least kernel and OpenOffice updates seem to benefit from it. :)
Mai 12 18:20:38 rdieter	it's easy enough to add after-the-fact, for those that really want it.
Mai 12 18:20:42 Kevin_Kofler	rdieter: It just works because it has "Requires: deltarpm >= 3.4-2". :-)
Mai 12 18:20:57 Kevin_Kofler	So the size of deltarpm needs to be factored in when computing the size it'd take on the image.
Mai 12 18:21:03 Kevin_Kofler	That's what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear.
Mai 12 18:21:31 rdieter	it's small, that's not an issue, we could make it fit if we *really* wanted it... I just don't think we should.
Mai 12 18:22:02 Kevin_Kofler	It'd be a feature we'd have first. :-)
Mai 12 18:22:09 svahl	Kevin_Kofler, deltarpm is already part of the live images
Mai 12 18:22:28 ltinkl	same here, I don't think we should rush in stuff that hasn't been tested thoroughly, esp. this close to the release
Mai 12 18:22:30 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: but without testing? is it worth to be first?
Mai 12 18:22:33 svahl	it's needed by createrepo -> anaconda
Mai 12 18:22:51 rdieter	creatrepo is on the live image(s)?  slightly wierd, but ok.
Mai 12 18:22:56 SMParrish	+1 to waiting until we get more testing done
Mai 12 18:23:37 Kevin_Kofler	Well, OK, let's follow the global Fedora decision and leave it out for F11 then. Next topic?
Mai 12 18:24:49 rdieter	next topic: F11 news: leonidas-kde-theme updates , jreznik?
Mai 12 18:24:58 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- F11 news: leonidas-kde-theme updates
Mai 12 18:25:54 jreznik	ok, this leonidas-kde-theme-11.0.1-1.fc11 should be final version... please try it and if you have some complaints... it's late now but...
Mai 12 18:26:06 jreznik	it's tagged now https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1789
Mai 12 18:26:19 jreznik	what's new - lion and landscape subpackage
Mai 12 18:27:01 rdieter	nice, got -lion here atm.
Mai 12 18:27:03 jreznik	so there are three themes - default wp, default wp with lion (optional) and alpha landscape wxp like one (optional)
Mai 12 18:27:10 svahl	jreznik, are these supackages optional or required by default (or in @kde-desktop)?
Mai 12 18:27:22 Kevin_Kofler	Completely optional.
Mai 12 18:27:24 rdieter	optional, not required anywhere
Mai 12 18:27:30 Kevin_Kofler	I think they're not in comps at all yet, are they?
Mai 12 18:27:35 Kevin_Kofler	We should add them as optional in comps.
Mai 12 18:27:35 svahl	ok. thx
Mai 12 18:27:36 jreznik	even leonidas-backgrounds don't need them
Mai 12 18:28:01 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: could you do it?
Mai 12 18:28:18 Kevin_Kofler	jreznik: Yes.
Mai 12 18:28:19 rdieter	ah, comps, for forgotten step-child.
Mai 12 18:28:50 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- KDE 4.2.3 update status
Mai 12 18:28:59 rdieter	cool, next topic: kde 4.2.3 update status
Mai 12 18:29:25 rdieter	fyi, I got extragear builds done, still TODO: create bodhi updates
Mai 12 18:29:44 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler ?
Mai 12 18:29:48 Kevin_Kofler	The update group for the non-extragear stuff has hit updates-testing.
Mai 12 18:30:08 Kevin_Kofler	(for F9, F10 and F11) (I submitted it in Bodhi.)
Mai 12 18:30:26 rdieter	task: update kde svn www info.
Mai 12 18:31:27 Kevin_Kofler	For kdebase-workspace, there's the weather dataengine update to handle network status from Solid which I'd like to backport from 4.3.
Mai 12 18:32:09 Kevin_Kofler	(spstarr has suggested that we add this to our packages.) I'll probably do the backport and then edit the updates with it.
Mai 12 18:32:25 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: can you estimate how much work that to be , and the potential risk of badness?
Mai 12 18:33:12 Kevin_Kofler	Work: just take the patch from SVN and apply it, spstarr says it should be compatible with the 4.2 code. Risk of badness: should not affect anything other than the weather and lcd-weatherstation plasmoids.
Mai 12 18:33:44 rdieter	I'm ok with that, assuming testing goes ok.
Mai 12 18:34:22 rdieter	anything else? can we move on?
Mai 12 18:34:54 jreznik	move on
Mai 12 18:34:59 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Qt 4.5.1 update status
Mai 12 18:35:03 rdieter	next topic: Qt 4.5.1 update status
Mai 12 18:35:31 Kevin_Kofler	See also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=Qt451
Mai 12 18:35:33 buggbot	Bug 497658: medium, low, ---, than, NEW, Qt-4.5.1 Tracker
Mai 12 18:35:35 rdieter	it's in updates-testing (well F-9 is still pending, missed the cut yesterday)
Mai 12 18:36:03 rdieter	got quite a bit of testing/feedback from kde-redhat repo usage already, now we'll see for real.
Mai 12 18:36:27 Kevin_Kofler	So, we have 2 regressions in 4.5.0 in Qt-only apps (texmaker and jabbim) which are fixed by the update.
Mai 12 18:36:49 Kevin_Kofler	On the other hand, we now have 3 new rendering regressions in KDE stuff. :-(
Mai 12 18:37:07 Kevin_Kofler	rssnow plasmoid, ksysguard, Amarok 2.0
Mai 12 18:37:15 rdieter	in a week (or so), we'll re-evaluate status of regressions vs. fixes.
Mai 12 18:37:23 Kevin_Kofler	RSSNOW is particularly bad because it doesn't display anything.
Mai 12 18:37:46 Kevin_Kofler	There's a hackish workaround which we could apply to rssnow, but it makes it look ugly.
Mai 12 18:37:47 rdieter	ksysguard is cosmetic, amarok-2.1 is on the near horizon
Mai 12 18:38:52 Kevin_Kofler	This patch may or may not help with the rendering issues: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/2e3a5ea4434d19fbdb90996e71961f0791ea6487
Mai 12 18:39:21 Kevin_Kofler	Another post-4.5.1 patch worth looking into is the QTemporaryFile fd leak fix: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/42e2070925d012845db9cf85e597a17851a0dcb6
Mai 12 18:39:35 Kevin_Kofler	FD leaks wreak havoc with SELinux.
Mai 12 18:41:43 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: this FD leak in QTempFile also causes problems for Arora
Mai 12 18:42:29 Kevin_Kofler	Basically, it can't hurt looking through the git repo for fixes to snatch. :-)
Mai 12 18:43:54 Kevin_Kofler	Anything else about 4.5.1? Or let's move on?
Mai 12 18:44:55 *	rdieter hat das Thema geändert zu: KDE SIG Meeting -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-05-12 -- Open Discussion
Mai 12 18:45:16 rdieter	than's not here to discuss 4.2.85 status, so that's it for the agenda.  open floor.
Mai 12 18:45:49 jreznik	hey, I've found strigi update still in testing today... push it to stable? it helped all people but not reporter...
Mai 12 18:46:07 jreznik	https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F10/FEDORA-2009-3816
Mai 12 18:46:15 jreznik	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496620
Mai 12 18:46:16 Kevin_Kofler	Just a note about 4.2.85: Than started importing it into F12 (post-F11 Rawhide).
Mai 12 18:46:19 buggbot	Bug 496620: medium, low, ---, dakingun, ON_QA, Dolphin crashes when trying to browse an SMB workgroup or view the properties of /
Mai 12 18:46:38 Kevin_Kofler	jreznik: Push it to stable.
Mai 12 18:46:43 jreznik	Kevin_Kofler: ok
Mai 12 18:46:47 Kevin_Kofler	The fix may not be complete, but it fixes something at least.
Mai 12 18:46:59 rdieter	it fixed at least 1 crasher, +1 push
Mai 12 18:48:06 jreznik	ok, that's all from me, I have to leave now... some volunteer to prepare summary? or I'll do it tomorrow
Mai 12 18:48:14 ltinkl	I'll continue working 4.2.85, than has other work to do
Mai 12 18:48:39 rdieter	jreznik, ltinkl, thanks
Mai 12 18:49:07 rdieter	ltinkl: how far along are things?  need any help?
Mai 12 18:49:29 Kevin_Kofler	ltinkl: Than accidentally committed some ported kdelibs patches into kdebase-workspace, they need to be removed from there and added to kdelibs instead.
Mai 12 18:49:43 ltinkl	rdieter: I'm waiting till tomorrow, as per Dirk's advise
Mai 12 18:50:03 rdieter	it seems kdebindings is currently borken, yeah
Mai 12 18:50:13 ltinkl	Kevin_Kofler: I'll have a look at it, thx for noticing
Mai 12 18:50:44 rdieter	fesco/board elections are coming soon, any kde-sig folk interesting in running?
Mai 12 18:51:32 jwb_	i nominate Kevin_Kofler
Mai 12 18:51:33 svahl	jreznik, I'll do the summary
Mai 12 18:51:59 jreznik	svahl: thx
Mai 12 18:53:06 rdieter	Kevin_Kofler: what do you think?
Mai 12 18:54:45 Kevin_Kofler	Hmmm... My main problem is that I'm busy enough as is. :-(
Mai 12 18:56:40 rdieter	nod, I found when I was doing all that, it does take a chunk of time.   well worth it though.  think about it.
Mai 12 18:57:17 rdieter	looks like we're about out of time for today.  anything else?
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Mai 12 18:58:42 rdieter	KDE SIG Meeting end
Mai 12 18:58:57 rdieter	thanks everyone (and sorry for being tardy, and cutting our meeting a little short)
